Kage (Oczko) hacked his old account from Roy Borgen

[Tiberius]

Nothing to defend really; but you can see how one's imagination can twist things now can't you?

[Snake Eyes]

Nothing to defend really; but you can see how one's imagination can twist things now can't you?

Ofcourse there's not because he scammed back the kage account renamed it peter stain and friended ralph lauren to the house.

And  i told you i saw him come out that house with my own eyes and your still lying for him.

Then i told the samething to kage and he denied it and said he came out the small house and we got proof he was in the peter stain house.

Wait, lemme guess this is a altered picture too right?

[Tiberius]

Yea, and?

All I have to go on is a pic with a name, not a toon and your word vs. his.

The pic is highly suspect in my opinion, and I have to stick with the guy I know over a relative stranger that has proven himself to be a consumate drama queen.

IF IT DOES NOT FIT.................................








LUBRICATE IT! IT WILL!

[Snake Eyes]

So your calling me a liar then? I've been truthfully since i've been on sp now all of a sudden i woke up one day and said " you know what im gonna accuse my own guildmate of hacking accounts" get real be delusoinal it fits you.

IF IT SMELLS LIKE A TURD, AND LOOKS LIKE A TURD, BORROW TIBERIUS'S NOSE PLUGS AND BLINDFOLD AND BE DELUSIONAL...

I"M GONNA SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME FOR THE BLIND, I SAW RALPH LAUREN WITH MY OWN EYES COME OUT OF PETER STAIN'S HOUSE!

BTW, i might be a drama queen but i always tell the truth.

One thing i'm always consistent about if your a hacker/scammer your a piece of dog chunks.

[Snake Eyes]

http://whitecouncil.org/forums/index.php?topic=2431.0

[Shalimar]

This is all I have been able to find out so far, which isn't much apart from Roy isn't one of the group from LS. I have notified both parties I am posting the logs, although they don't say a whole helluva lot....... unlike the other icq log thread. The conversation with Roy was on 28th Sept 2009, the one's with Kage are from 28th to yesterday.




Elaine ?(17:16):
Hello there, this is Shalimar of NEW.
Roy ?(17:17):
hi
Elaine ?(17:17):
I would like some info on what happened to you with the accounts you bought please.
Duke tells me you bough Kage's accounts
err bought
Roy ?(17:18):
yes i did. bought 5 accounts from him and one has been "hacked"
Elaine ?(17:19):
ok are you also Dude? The guy that came to the NEW house the other night?
or Sub Zero was also one of the names your friend gave me.
Elaine ?(17:20):
Whey is another name that's been mentioned
Roy ?(17:22):
whey is my first character on siege. dude and sub zero is not me, why did he give you these names? i was in new maybe 2 years ago before i took brake from ultima, came back few months ago
Elaine ?(17:26):
He gave me the names because of all the confusion between accounts being used by your group from LS. I have had some join NEW one being Mondain who denied to me that he was also Native Canadian, but I found out from another of your group that he was Native C, which he admitted when I asked him a second time. Native didn't need to be joining NEW as he had already been trying to pk the new players with Diablo (camping the house etc) and seemed to already know what he was doing as to playing on Siege.
Roy ?(17:27):
are you confusing me with diablo?
Elaine ?(17:27):
No
Roy ?(17:28):
im not from ls
Elaine ?(17:28):
I'm trying to find out who bought accounts
Roy ?(17:28):
im from europa
Elaine ?(17:28):
Has Diablo used any accounts you bought?
Roy ?(17:28):
yes, he bought 2 of them and tryed another before he bought them
Elaine ?(17:29):
So from the 5 you bought, 2 were resold?
This is what's creating all the confusion
nobody knows who anyone is now
Roy ?(17:31):
yes. i resold richy rich and ups man. he used gonthrax for about 30 mins but didnt want the account anyway. so then i had kage gonthrax and bobby boulders. then the kage account got hacked
Elaine ?(17:34):
So Kage account was hacked (you didn't call EA to change the password I guess?) and I read a post that the name was changed to 'Peter Stain'? You still have Gonthrax and Bobby Boulders?
Roy ?(17:35):
i didnt call them no. i changed it on the account management page. yes those 2 i have
Elaine ?(17:37):
K, firstly you should call EA to protect the other accounts you bought, do that asap. Now to get back to the Kage account, you have pictures which I also saw on the Gilfane forum...I am supposing you couldn't access the account and decided to wait by the house to find out who was going in and out?
And saw Ralph Lauren
Roy ?(17:38):
yes thats correct. and i had told duke about this so i also was there
Elaine ?(17:40):
K to clear up any misconceptions about how you and Duke know each other, how did you and Duke get in contact? Some players think you knew each other from before, and as Diablo is also known tou you that you are all in cahoots.
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Roy ?(17:42):
duke sent me an icq asking about what happened to diablo because he saw a post on stratics that diablo had been scammed of 15 mill gold. and he knew i know diablo so he asked me if i maybe knew what happened. then i told him something had happened too me to, lost an account. i had never talked to him before that, and that was 2 days ago. and diablo was the first person i met on siege and started playing with him, doing champs mostly. i came to siege by myself and didnt know anyone
Elaine ?(17:43):
Ok, so you don't or didn't know Native Canadian/Mondain, or any of the others.
Do you know them now?
Roy ?(17:44):
no i dont know mondain, never talked to him. ive only known diablo until duke sent me that icq
Elaine ?(17:45):
Sorry to have so many questions but I want to try and clear this up in the minds of others who don't know the truth of what happened and where you actually come into things.
Roy ?(17:45):
its ok, ill answer whatever questions you got 
Elaine ?(17:46):
When the Kage account was allegedly hacked, why do you think it was only that one account that was 'hacked'?
Roy ?(17:48):
because that account was the owner of the house, which had all the items kage owned. and i guess you maybe knows how much that was
Elaine ?(17:48):
I don't know actually
Elaine ?(17:49):
So was the Kage account the one that held the most items of value, the most skilled char?
Roy ?(17:50):
yes it was. the house belonged to richy rich when i bought the accounts, but i sold him so i moved the house to kage, that was only 2 days before it happened so whoever it was that person must have known that. and that ralph lauren has a tiny house next to it so that was suspisicous
Elaine ?(17:51):
Was Ralphs house always next to it?
Roy ?(17:51):
yes
Elaine ?(17:52):
Ok so when you moved the house to Kage you didn't access anyone?
Roy ?(17:52):
i made my own characters co-owner and accessed one of diablos
Elaine ?(17:53):
Hm, how do you know Diablo didn't take anything
Roy ?(17:53):
he was only accessed, all containers was secured for co-owners
Elaine ?(17:54):
ok
Elaine ?(17:56):
Well thanks for your replies Roy, as I did with the other icq log with a player named Roland, I will copy and paste this so I have it if needed. It makes more sense to me now however, especially the fact you're not one of the LS group of players. What shard are you from? I notice your icq info says you're in Norway.
Europa?
Roy ?(17:56):
yes im on europa 
Elaine ?(17:58):
How did you feel when you saw one of the accounts you bought wasn't accessible to you
Did you try to contact Kage?
Roy ?(17:59):
i couldnt believe it happened. took some time before i really realised what happened. diablo started talking to kage about it because he thought kage had done it. then i talked to kage and he said diablo did it
Elaine ?(18:00):
more confusion.....how did Kage explain Ralph being in the house
Elaine ?(18:02):
and, did Diablo ever have the info for Kage account
Roy ?(18:04):
diablo never got the info for that account. kage dont want to talk about that. he goes quiet when someone mentions it
Elaine ?(18:06):
Alright Roy, I'm going to try and speak to Kage, hopefully he will reply to my icq, but in any case I will post this log if Kage doesn't reply to me. If nothing else, it clears up where you became involved and that you're not actually one of the LS group.
Roy ?(18:07):
thanks  i believe that no one wants to believe me because im a stranger, and they know kage for years and as ive heard he has a good reputation on siege. and thats what made me trust him when buying accounts and didnt do ea account transfer thing
Elaine ?(18:08):
I understand, I wish you'd joined NEW for a while when you started instead of buying accounts, maybe you would have had a better experience than you appear to have had to date.
Roy ?(18:09):
well, i had my character trained when i returned, i was in new maybe 2 years ago. didnt think you would accept a trained char. and i already had some gold and house
Elaine ?(18:11):
Call EA now and have them attach a password of your choosing to the rest of your accounts. I would most likely have helped you find a guild if your char was skilled, but nobody needs to be solo, we could have helped.
Roy ?(18:12):
well, i wanted to find a guild. then i met diablo so i started hanging with him, doing champs. then all this happened
Elaine ?(18:13):
And none of it is good eh? Speak to you later.
Roy ?(18:13):
ok, thanks


And with Kage....

Elaine ?(18:22):
Hi Kage, it's Shalimar of NEW here. I've just spoken to Roy, the player who bought your accounts, it seems the Kage one was taken from him and the name changed...that's the one that had the majority of stuff on it. I asked him if it couldn't have been Diablo, but the secures were set in the house so Diablo couldn't access anything, and then Ralph was seen going in and out of the same house. Roy only met Diablo when he came back to Siege, he isn't one of that LS group. Diablo just happened to be the 1st player he met on Siege when he came back. What happened to Kage account?
This contact is offline.
The message will be delivered when the contact goes Online.

Couple of days later when Kage logged on.........
Darth Sidious/ Kage ?(01:43):
Sorry I have been working a lot. I have no idea what happend to the Kage account. I even tried calling EA my self and seeing if I could get the acct back but since I never paid using a CC they would not do anything for me and whoever has it set up a secrect password on the acct that you must know before EA will do anything at all so they told me...

I sold all of my accounts to Roy. everyone told me Diablo was playing every acct I sold but Diablo says he never played that one but I find this hard to believe... Anyways I have no idea what happen my bet is on Diablo... Had I really wanted to take an acct back I would have took my fav char back and thats my tamer and is also the hardest character to train...
Elaine ?(12:55):
I spoke to Roy a couple of days ago and he's not one of Diablo's group, that was what was confusing me about all this. He came to Siege by himself from Europa..unfortunately the 1st player he met was Diablo. Diablo had bought 2 of those account's from him (Richy Rich and UPS man? and tried one other Gonthrax?), but not the Kage one, and according to Roy, Diablo was only 'accessed' to that house.
Roy transferred it to the Kage account because that was the main one and that house had most of the stuff in it, and the chests were set more secure than 'anyone' to access.. co-owner I think. Something else, Diablo can't speak English, he asked me last week if I would help him call EA to get a secret password put onto his account, he got frustrated with it because he didn't understand the lingo when I gave him the number and told him to do it himself, then had a moan because the call cost money and he still had to hang up because he didn't know what they were asking him, I know he's no angel but he's been made a scapegoat more than once with the shit going on with Colton/Roland as well.
Anyway, Roy tried to access Kage, and when he couldn't he went to the house and saw the owner was now 'Peter Stain' with Ralph Lauren going in and out of it, so something's not right here. Who's char is Ralph, is that Daniels?

Next day........

Darth Sidious/ Kage ?(30/09/2009 19:35):
Raph is Sir Daniel and he never had any info about the Kage account.
He also has a small house beside the house that you say is owned bye Peter Stain.
Darth Sidious/ Kage ?(30/09/2009 19:36):
I told you everything that I know. I dont know what else to say....
Darth Sidious/ Kage ?(30/09/2009 19:38):
I have been on Siege for 9 years. I have never stolend a dime from anyone. And I have gave out more gold to new players than some people have ever made on this game.

I wish I could shine some light on everything but that is honestly all that I know. I'm sorry it happen to him I really am but there is nothing that I can do.



End of the icq logs.

[Freja]

Wonder what account Diablo made a secure password for.
Sometimes the login names for a players account are to easy to guess and someone could had got access to Roy's account.
I had got some wierd ICQ's from Diablo, it had some wierd letters, that did not make sense and also a icq with a link to something that should be a tools or something to older ICQ clients. Diablo is now on my ignore list and so is his dad.
To me it look like Kage is innocent here and the password was gainded from having a keylogger on Roy's PC or from having Roys email info and then ask for password on EA's page.

Roy did let Diablo try one of his account.
Diablo could now login to the account page and see the account info inclusive Roy's email. I do not say he did but he could.
Now he have the email.
Lets say Roy use same password for his email and his accounts but did only changes password for the account after he did let Diablo try it.
I think you are able to get a email with all the account names if you have access to the email they are on?
And if you have account name and email, you can get password too.

My point is, it's easy to guess who it could be but hard to say, who it is.

A good advice is to have your main account on an email you do not use anywhere else. If you share an account with others, put it on a different email and with a different password that you use for anything else.

[N49ATV]

Im with Freja on this one. Although I cant say for sure who I think it was, or wasnt. IMO, the pics dont actually show Raulph. Not that Im douting it, but there are ways around that, and also since no char, and paperdoll are shown, anyone can take a 14 day trial code, and create another toon called Raulph Lauren. So we cant say exclusivly that that was Kage or Daniel.

Secondly, as Freja says, if the accounts were in any form of succession, IE KAGE01, KAGE02 etc, then it wouldnt be hard to trial and error it. Also if the same password was used for multiple accounts, or for email, it wouldnt be hard to gain access there. Also web based email clients can access emails, without anyone who uses a desktop based email client (such as outlook) even knowing. I know this because I use both web based and OS based clients. I check my emails when Im out of town on webmail, and when I sign into my outlook at home, they all come down, and show unread status.

As far as the ICQ keylogger stuff, I dont know about that, so I cant really comment. When I played way back in the 01-02 area, I altered my client to show the old "Remember password" check box. Not many felt this was safe, but if I ever did get a keylogger, they wouldnt get my password, and it helped me get my daily rares quicker . I dont use it now, but back then hacking/key logging seemed to happen quiet a bit.

Although there is some form of evidence here, its not conclusive. And there is the shadow of a doubt, which is enough to get OJ off for murder, so id think its enough to get Kage of the hook here in many peoples eyes.

This sucks that it happened, and let me know if you need anything to get going again. I dont have a ton of stuff, but Im not playing at all right now, and Im sure I can free up some of what I do have.

[Snake Eyes]

Im with Freja on this one. Although I cant say for sure who I think it was, or wasnt. IMO, the pics dont actually show Raulph. Not that Im douting it, but there are ways around that, and also since no char, and paperdoll are shown, anyone can take a 14 day trial code, and create another toon called Raulph Lauren. So we cant say exclusivly that that was Kage or Daniel.

Secondly, as Freja says, if the accounts were in any form of succession, IE KAGE01, KAGE02 etc, then it wouldnt be hard to trial and error it. Also if the same password was used for multiple accounts, or for email, it wouldnt be hard to gain access there. Also web based email clients can access emails, without anyone who uses a desktop based email client (such as outlook) even knowing. I know this because I use both web based and OS based clients. I check my emails when Im out of town on webmail, and when I sign into my outlook at home, they all come down, and show unread status.

As far as the ICQ keylogger stuff, I dont know about that, so I cant really comment. When I played way back in the 01-02 area, I altered my client to show the old "Remember password" check box. Not many felt this was safe, but if I ever did get a keylogger, they wouldnt get my password, and it helped me get my daily rares quicker . I dont use it now, but back then hacking/key logging seemed to happen quiet a bit.

Although there is some form of evidence here, its not conclusive. And there is the shadow of a doubt, which is enough to get OJ off for murder, so id think its enough to get Kage of the hook here in many peoples eyes.

This sucks that it happened, and let me know if you need anything to get going again. I dont have a ton of stuff, but Im not playing at all right now, and Im sure I can free up some of what I do have.

I was in ventrilo with Kage while he was on Ralph Lauren and i watched him leave out that hacked/scammed house and go to Tibs house to have artifacts to be unraveled.

[Tiberius]

And story time continues....

get a life son; nobody believes you but...you and Diablo.

[Mr X]

STFU speedhacker.  oops i mean you don't speedhack you just turn on your koc equalizer.

[Tiberius]

Im one of the slowest active pvpers on the shard; you really think I speed hack Mrs. X?  I'll be honest I gave ita try a  couple times while in TNT after a couple TNT members directed me to the download site for speeder xp.  I didn't care for it and have not used it since but you and kitty kat sure had no problems with people doing it  so long as they had TNT over thier heads:).

[Snake Eyes]

but you and kitty kat sure had no problems with people doing it  so long as they had TNT over thier heads:).

That's pretty funny considering you have a account hacker in your guild and know about it and still choose to be guilded with him. Your no better than anyone else with your hypocritical behavior. Son.

[Bruin]

Enough.  I don't mind intelligent conversations regarding hacking, but as I mentioned before, showing disrespect is the line I do not allow people to cross.