Vice vs. Virtue War Status [Start of War - 6/15/15]

[Lore Denin]

Shard Status: (Score: +11681853) Felucca is Waxing, Ascending into Light and Virtue.
[Shard Status = (Virtue combined Score - Vice Combined Score) > Neutral. A negative number is waning and shows vice has the upper hand, a positive number is waxing and indicates Virtue has the upper hand. If the resulting Virtue or Vice score is less then or equal to the Neutral Score the shard is in Equilibrium]

Currently there is no "in game" mechanic to determine if a guild supports Vice or Virtue. To add another dimension to the conflict I will maintain a list of guilds that are aggressive in nature (attacking people on site) and non aggressive/cooperative towards others (speaking rather then attacking). The Aggressive Guilds will be listed as "Vice" and will be attacked on site while NoN-Aggressive Guilds will be listed as "Virtue". In addition I will maintain a list of guilds who are "Neutral" as well as a list for Individuals called "Betrayers". Betrayers are known griefers and scammers who fight for no side other then themselves, they continually act in a manner that undermines community and disrupts events.

Virtue Guilds - Good Aligned, Stands for Virtue, opposes to Evil/Vice. Speaks rather then engages in combat against Virtue, innocents or those who are not yet known, may conduct battle without warning against aggressors and those on the Vice/Betrayers list. Virtue Guilds may engage in Honorable Competition (no looting) amongst each other for Cities and engage in friendly warfare to claim towns in the name of Virtue.

- Independent City State of Gilfane [Gil]
- Loria, Kingdom of Light [Lore]
- Minocian Partisans Resistance [MPR*]
- Last Man Standing [LMS]
- Random Chaos [R-C]
- Legion of Honor [L*H]
- Four Horseman [4H]
- White Council Britannians [WCB]
- Spy vs Spy [MAD!]
- Citizens of Wispwood Shire [CWS]
- Keepers of the Virtuous Path [KVP]
- Iron Claw Empire [ICE]
- ipku [IPKU]

Vice Guilds - Sworn to Vice, Against the Virtues, May attack without warning or provocation against Virtue but also innocents in town, Betrayers or fellow Vice members - considered extremely volatile and dangerous. [Added a Tag called (RP Vice) which means the guilds act more like Virtue Guilds but are role-playing support for the Vice armies].

-Brave Amateurs [B^A]
-Terror and Anarchy [TnA]
-Treasure and Treachery [TnT]
-Hidden Order of Outcasts [HOoO]
-Bad Ass [BA]
-Animality [ZOO]
-FYOU [FYOU]
-&3 [&3]

Neutral/Undetermined Guilds: Non aggressive Guilds and Individuals sworn to neither Vice nor Virtue or which to little information is known to make a determination

-The Dark Outlaws [TDO*] (RP)
-Barter Town Inc [^__^]
-Golden Skull Savages [CLAN]
-Shadow Light [S L]
-Prepare to be Boarded [Arrr]
-Pirates [YARR]
-Game of Thrones [GoT]

Betrayers (Guilds/Individuals that are against both Vice and Virtue, Will not respect events, distrusted by all scammers and griefers. Also people found farming kills by murdering Alts will have scores removed. Scores, Kills and Rank are blacked out until they improve standing in community)

-Mike-D [GlL] (Fake Gilfane tag and may claim to be in Gilfane) [Was asked to change tags and stop impersonating another guild. Refused but has informed me that he no longer plays Siege and I will remove him from Betrayer list after 90 days]

[If you wish to add your guild or report another guild as Vice, Virtue, or Betrayer please post a response to this post with as many details as possible so that it can be reviewed. If the findings hold true the guild will be added to the appropriate list. If you believe you or your guild has been misrepresented contact Lore Denin [96629882] with your appeal and it will be reviewed]

Current Scores and Standings:

[Sara Dale]

Thank you for the list.  At the top of your post the font was fine but reading a bit more it got tiny.  Can you make it bigger for us old folks?  Pretty Please?

[Natalia]

Please add these two guilds to the Virtue guilds.  They are just old time historical guilds with one or two members.  They are allied to GIL  Neither engages in PvP, so I'm not sure they should be on the list of Vice vs Virtue, but they certainly would not attack.

Keepers of the Virtuous Path  KVP  on Siege since 2000
Iron Claw Empire  ICE   on Siege since the beginning

Thank you.

[kelmo]

*smiles* Thank you.

[Lore Denin]

Thank you all,   I shall incorporate all the feedback, update and post a final draft for review.  Then if it looks good, I'll post the final version here and on stratics and update weekly.  Thank you for helping me out, from guilds I am missing to font size and colors to help everyone clearly read and understand

  I am still on vacation sneaking on my lap top at night when baby is up for late feedings so will do my best to update.  I'll be home Friday evening and be able to have real time to work on things Sat and Sun.

  Thanks

Lore

[Lore Denin]

Updated 6/01/15

Summary: Vice continues to hold the overall edge on shard, T R U of FYOU moved to Betrayers List, Diablo Thantis moved back into FYOU

[sprago]

Vice Guilds (Sworn to Vice, Against the Virtues, Attacks without warning or provocation - considered extremely volatile and dangerous)

-The Dark Outlaws [TDO*]
-Brave Amateurs  [B^A]
-ipku [IPKU] 
-Terror and Anarchy  [TnT]
-Hidden Order of Outcasts  [HOoO]
-Bad Ass [BA]   
-Animality [ZOO]


"(Sworn to Vice, Against the Virtues, Attacks without warning or provocation - considered extremely volatile and dangerous)" not disagreeing with this statement but as far as everything ive done in VvV i have turned in for virtue points dont have any vice points just saying not sure what difference it makes as far as the VvV story line goes

[Lore Denin]

IPKU is only listed as Vice because they are allied with Vice guilds.  Its not a reflection of you as a person.  I personally think you are pretty awesome and the way you play is Virtue rather then Vice.

  Honestly TDO is more Virtue then Vice by my definitions and are simply listed as Vice because they are rp evil and want to be seen as Vice. 

  If IPKU wants to declare Virtue,  of course we'd all love to work with you.  I understand that the standards the white council has for its members and those IPKU has for its members are not the same but the path of Virtue is many rivers leading to the same ocean.  One is not better then another, but at the same time each must follow the path true to them...

  I respect Hoffs and his decision to maintain the standards of conduct for all White Council members,  I respect you as the GM of IPKU to decide those standards are to restrictive for your gameplay and that of your members. Just because you are not a white Council member doesn't mean you can't be Virtue,  in fact part of Virtues issue in gaining stronger pvp forces is the strict nature placed on the members for conduct. [For the record I am probably the worst in this regard.  My guild has 3 active people and is not likely to grow because the restrictions I place on members is insane.  Even if I were playing Atlantic I would be lucky to find 5-6 people that could play the way I am builing my guild.  It worked great when UO was new and for the first 5-6 years when the game was heavily populated by rpers.  In today's game, its really hard to grow a rp pvp guild but that is what Loria is about.

  This is my thought and proposal to both you and the White Council to consider.

  The actual Kingdom of Britannia lacks any Virtue Guilds of significance. What if IPKU became the forces that represent Britannia.  I can help with stories and RP to help you create what would amount to official armies of Britannia led by your guild and alliance. This would give you and guilds like yours wanting to join Virtue more freedom then they would have working under the restrictions of the White Council yet not having them be opposed in Vice.

  There does have to be some middle ground and maybe IPKU can be the guild to bridge that gap. 

-Lore

PS:  I had updated my definitions of Vice and Virtue in my stratics post but never here,  updating now   

   

 

[Lore Denin]

UPDATED - Spoke to IPKU, they want to be seen as Virtue and I have made the changes to reflect that.

-Lore

[Lore Denin]

Updated [6/6/15]

- TDO has moved into the neutral catagory. 

-Added RP tag so guilds who are good but want to rp support for evil without ruining reputation, standing in community or in any other way be seen as a bad person when its only rp. 

-Updated Definition for Virtue Guilds to allow honorable combat to compete for towns when Vice agents are not present:

" Virtue Guilds may engage in Honorable Competition (no looting) amongst each other for Cities and engage in friendly warfare to claim towns for Virtue."

 

[Lore Denin]

Updated for week of June 8th 2015

-Added Equilibrium to shard status. Occurs when the combined score of (Virtue - Vice) is less then the total score of Neutral Guilds.  If this occurs the shards is In Equilibrium, balanced between Vice and Virtue.

-IPKU has moved from Vice to Virtue

-TDO has moved from Vice to Neutral

[Lore Denin]

Updated for week of June 15th:

Added a few new members to Betrayers list but this was their first time attending event and may not full understand that working with people on Betrayers list will get you added for "aiding and  abetting".  Will see if they are willing to work with me to get removed from the list.

Bane Cross and Black Jesus [FYOU]

[Lore Denin]

Updated: 6/24/15 (Sorry for the Delay, Busy week in RL).

Changes: Both FYOU and &3 have been moved off Betrayers list and back to Vice. This means they may once again take full part in events and work with any other Vice guilds without penalty.

Now that everyone is off Betrayers list, lets see if we can go out and have some fun, put away past issues and enjoy the non loot portion of events and then the last portion with a loot option. Even the loot option portion, I'd encourage no or light looting as it just seems to promote larger scale battles and create a more fun atmosphere.

Obviously the list I create here is merely a guideline and people may or may not trust all the guilds involved, What I can say is that actions speak louder then any list I can produce and if you come and do a great job, don't loot, you will gain a reputation that will encourage others to come and battle with you.

Good luck and I will post the this week's event tomorrow night,

-Lore

PS: ran out of time so will need to update the pics and shard score later.